VM 2.0.25 FX insert kills audio engine of Nuendo and Cubase

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nkf
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VM 2.0.25 FX insert kills audio engine of Nuendo and Cubase

Post by nkf » Wed Jul 22, 2020 12:15 am

This is a nasty bug: in dense Nuendo or Cubase projects VM 2.0.25 can kill the audio engine in Nuendo 10.2, 10.3, Nuendo 8 and Cubase 10.5 (checked them all) when used as an audio insert in heavy projects. It cost me a lot of time to find the problem, as there were no crashes or alike. Audio can stop from the beginning or after some seconds. I used the new Syrup filter by MRB - if this is of importance. The audio engine was not brought to live again. Only a "force quit" could help.
IMO there is a big problem here. Please look into this ASAP.
Experienced on a MacPro with macOS 10.14.6.

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Re: VM 2.0.25 FX insert kills audio engine of Nuendo and Cubase

Post by HowlingMod » Wed Jul 22, 2020 9:04 am

try to set multiple thread usage off, i.e. to one core.
you can do it, of course in the standalone version.
perhaps it helps, i notice in heavy projects (for my desktop...), for instance with softube modular, and a 5 or vsti's, that multiple threading, does not block cubase, but makes it impossible to run the project.
on windows 10 by the way.
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Re: VM 2.0.25 FX insert kills audio engine of Nuendo and Cubase

Post by nkf » Wed Jul 22, 2020 1:44 pm

HowlingMod wrote:
Wed Jul 22, 2020 9:04 am
try to set multiple thread usage off, i.e. to one core.
you can do it, of course in the standalone version.
perhaps it helps, i notice in heavy projects (for my desktop...), for instance with softube modular, and a 5 or vsti's, that multiple threading, does not block cubase, but makes it impossible to run the project.
on windows 10 by the way.
You mean "Multi-Processing" in the VST Setup? I think that would disable cores and wouldn't be a good idea on Macs.
Usually, if CPU power is maxed out, there is stuttering etc. But in this case VM as insert FX kills the whole audio engine until the app is restarted. It wasn't the case before and is clearly a bug in the new version.

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Re: VM 2.0.25 FX insert kills audio engine of Nuendo and Cubase

Post by cherryaudio Greg » Wed Jul 22, 2020 4:42 pm

Hi,

Give that a try - click on the little gear icon to go into settings, then look at the CPU settings and try disabling the option called "Use Multiple Threads For Mixing." Restart everything and see if that helps.

You could also try just reducing the number of threads.

Greg

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Re: VM 2.0.25 FX insert kills audio engine of Nuendo and Cubase

Post by nkf » Wed Jul 22, 2020 11:41 pm

cherryaudio Greg wrote:
Wed Jul 22, 2020 4:42 pm
Hi,

Give that a try - click on the little gear icon to go into settings, then look at the CPU settings and try disabling the option called "Use Multiple Threads For Mixing." Restart everything and see if that helps.

You could also try just reducing the number of threads.

Greg
Thank you, I reduced the multiple threads from 8 to 2 and the project played fine.

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Re: VM 2.0.25 FX insert kills audio engine of Nuendo and Cubase

Post by nkf » Wed Jul 22, 2020 11:42 pm

HowlingMod wrote:
Wed Jul 22, 2020 9:04 am
try to set multiple thread usage off, i.e. to one core.
you can do it, of course in the standalone version.
perhaps it helps, i notice in heavy projects (for my desktop...), for instance with softube modular, and a 5 or vsti's, that multiple threading, does not block cubase, but makes it impossible to run the project.
on windows 10 by the way.
Sorry, misunderstood you at first. I thought you meant the VST setup in Nuendo/Cubase. Thank you, that was a good recommendation.

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Re: VM 2.0.25 FX insert kills audio engine of Nuendo and Cubase

Post by HowlingMod » Thu Jul 23, 2020 9:30 am

nkf wrote:
Wed Jul 22, 2020 11:42 pm
HowlingMod wrote:
Wed Jul 22, 2020 9:04 am
try to set multiple thread usage off, i.e. to one core.
you can do it, of course in the standalone version.
perhaps it helps, i notice in heavy projects (for my desktop...), for instance with softube modular, and a 5 or vsti's, that multiple threading, does not block cubase, but makes it impossible to run the project.
on windows 10 by the way.
Sorry, misunderstood you at first. I thought you meant the VST setup in Nuendo/Cubase. Thank you, that was a good recommendation.
i had could stated more clearly: in voltage modular itself. glad it worked!
i7-6700K (@4.4), 32 gb, gtx 1060 6gb, win 10 pro. voltage modular; psp ultimate, andrew macaulay ultimate, ben davis complete, voice synth - vector - wavetable - zerooscillator bundle - one year - vult bundles. etc.

https://soundcloud.com/sada-exposada

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